Did anyone miss the Politico article on Hunter Bidens laptop story being true and not a "Russian Hoax"?
Surprised I have not seen the praise of ol Joe on the world stage. I mean the English gave him a vote of no confidence, the French have recalled their ambassador, and Joe would not take questions with the PM of Great Britain. Ol Joe is just cooking. Anyone starting to get the point that when the democrats blame others for doing things it is because they are gas lighting people because they are actually doing it? |
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The goal posts have shifted once again. Now it’s “prevent you from hospitalization “. What happened to prevents you from contracting and spreading ? That flew out the window faster than Biden’s border plan. Who the **** cares. It’s a risk people are willing to take. Let them. The government should y be maki g the a choice for you , and it sure as hell should t be taking your career away as part of that choice. Smoking keeps you in the hospital , jumping out of Planes is high risk , Wakeboarding is high risk, being the police is high risk being a fat slob who’s obese is high risk. You know what’s not high risk , being a healthy individual. . Should the government mandate anyone who wakeboards or plays sports has to pay more in insurance premiums? Should it tell people if you wakeboard you can’t work for company A Should the government tell fat slobs they are unemployable ? The fact is the choice to get vaccinated or not only has serious effects the person themselves. It’s not some world virus ending decision. Once again the facts prove the rhetoric completely false. Over and over again the science speaking the truth. The choice to be vaccinated or not has almost zero impact on a vaccinated individual getting sick from the virus. Period end of story. What was the death rate difference in the prison study their basement dweller ? |
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10 times the hospitalization rate is now Bull****, 10 times the hospitalization rate, let that sink in. It plainly obvious who the idiot is, who is wrong almost daily. Youre a freaking clown dude. 10 times the hospitalization rate. Your mother must be proud. |
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Fauci will hopefully be facing criminal charges for lying to Congress. |
The message and goal posts never changed. March 2020....during the Trump administration.
https://health.usnews.com/conditions...ombat-covid-19 A sharp rise in cases will not only build on itself, dramatically increasing the odds daily of more people becoming infected, it will overwhelm resources. Without sweeping social distancing measures to slow the spread of the coronavirus, hospitals will run out of intensive care beds and ventilators, and staff won't be able to keep up with the needs of sick patients. More health care workers themselves will fall ill, and there will be fewer on the front lines to combat COVID-I9 Go with any of your topics, death rates, from positivity, hospitalization.....makes no difference. Odds are always better when vaccinated. Always. Just like you are always wrong. |
Geez, what a bad week for the Biden fam, Looks like the Chinese flu, was totally made in the lab, and was intentional. Also, Hunter (the good son) was trying to scam the Lybia for 2m a year, to release seized funds. Then, oh , then, Sleepy owes 500k in unpaid taxes. LOL
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SO funny, co-hosts on the FING view, terrible show, terrible people, all vaccinated, got covid. while the VP harris is suppose to go on tv live. MAYBE its because they are all not wearing masks. lol Stupid, on every level, stupid to think its not spreading, stupid to think its a mask issue, stupid to think anything you do less, locking yourself in the house for the next 4 to 5 years, will stop it.
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now the lie is that border patrol is whipping people.
Biden has now taken away their horses. I just can't image how ANYBODY is happy with this guy. He will absolutely go down in history as the worst President ever what a freakin joke |
This is what irony looks like. One would think god would have protected a man of the cloth, done something, like maybe send a vaccine. Thoughts and prayers.
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In more serious actual pandemic news. That’s right more kids shot in Chicago than died nationwide from the pandemic. Great work democraps. Your policies are steaming forward nicely.
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so, 95, you think that limiting or outlawing guns, is going to keep criminals from having a gun?
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it is pretty easy. I'm not opposed to some sort of psychological screening.
I don't know anyone here that is carrying because of the new law. everyone that I know that wanted to carry, was already doing so. I too have a couple of hand guns. I'm considering getting into some long range target shooting. If I need to have my background checked before I can purchase a sniper type of rifle, then that's what will happen. I'm thinking that that's just part of it |
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Looks like the Generals are telling a different story than Biden when it comes to troop removal from Afghanistan. Sounds like the top 3 recommended keeping 2500 on the ground in country. Biden said he heard no such recommendations.
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hospitals begin devastated is a lack of staffing and in quick order would fix it's own problem. If you have a deathly version of covid, you pretty much are gone in less than 3 weeks. It has already been proven that the red states did better than the blue during the first year of covid. Your latest chicken little dance revolves around hospitalizations. Kind of funny we don't hear death stats. Just the fact they are in the hospital. I know it has been pointed out before but you people just parrot the talking points. The talking points went from covid deaths to hospitalizations. Even with that, only 20,000 people died of covid related illness in the under 45 crowd. Only 338 from the under 18 crowd. Over 2500 kids between the ages of 18 and 13 have died from car accidents in the same periods. |
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Biden lied again. period. |
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Seat belts, limits and what ever have zero to do with this discussion. The fact remains that car accidents kill people under the age of 18 by 10 times that of covid. those are simple facts. They are not disputable. Speed limit is 65 around where I live and if you do under 80 you will get ran down. For people under the age of 45, that number is pretty much under the flu for amount of deaths and that is including the first year with no one knowing what was going on and being exposed for the very first time. People under the age of 45 are not the problem. Hospitals are staffed to be almost full all the time without covid. That is how they have to run or they go under. Upticks in volume will over run them. it will happen. Just have to deal with it and move on. You certainly don't care when illegals over run hospitals. End of the day, everyone has pretty much been exposed. Get vaccinated or don't. If you have had it, then it sounds like you are in good shape. If you had it and get the vaccine, then it sounds like you have a great broad band immunity against what they believe is 6 different variants. Sounds like what everyone is saying is if you are vaccinated then you don't have to worry about getting hospitalized. So what is the deal. you don't need a mask and we certainly don't need mandates. If you are over 45 or have known issues, you should get the vaccine. They also should be telling the story of available treatments and quit doing like biden is and trying to limit supplies of known treatments because he wants to push vaccines. |
well, well, well..... look at this.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/mayorkas-...-surprised-him Mayorkas admits 'tragic rise' of delta variant at US-Mexico border 'surprised' him "We are confronted with a population of people that, as a general matter, that have a rate of illness of approximately 20%," he continued. "When one is speaking of 7,000 or 7,500 people encountered at the border every day, if one takes a look at that the system, it is not built for that in a COVID environment where isolation is required." I am pretty sure they are getting more than 7500 a day. Let's use his math. They are releasing 1500 covid positive people into the US DAILY. Those 1500 are in close contact with the other 7500 a day more than likely. Day after day this is happening and you wonder why the hospitals are filling up? |
Florida Covid still killing twice as many people per day than California, they have half the population.
TX, much the same, almost twice as many daily deaths with 10 million less people than the CA population. California has the best Covid numbers across the board right now, the state with the most people. Why do you think Newsome demolished the competition in the recall? You are vastly underestimating Covids effects on hospitals, as did the officials in those massive populations in Idaho and the metropolis of Alaska, both have death panels to decide who gets help, who gets the door. Isnt that what you warned about with socialized medicine? Congrats, you got it. There is no auto accident vaccine Delta, you can avoid dying from it unlike dying in an auto accident. How long does the natural immunity last? Same at 2 months as it is at 10 months ?a year? You dont know. You add in a vaccine and you have the best protection available. Dont blame Biden for spreading out the monoclonal antibodies to all states, blame the governors who choose to treat a deadly disease(partially because their biggest donor owns the company, DeSantis) instead of a free vaccine that will keep you from needing several thousands of dollars of treatment. Speaking only on the economic impact alone, the average covid hospital stay costs $74,000, the vaccine is free. Hmmm, tough decision? |
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I believe I saw I pictures of them waiting to get in at the border. They were all social distancing and wearing masks. Plus they were outside, so we should all be safe.
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Yep. That is exactly what socialized medicine does. How long does the covid shot last? Pfizer is saying you may have to get a shot every year. So far natural immunity is superior according to the data in Israel. Who knows how long it lasts. We know who is not dying of covid. Basically next to no one under the age of 18. lower than than the flu for the 45 and under crowd. VAST Majority in the over 75 crowd. Sounds to me like extremely old people need to be in lock down. The US put out over $19 billion dollars to fund vaccine development and paid almost another 2 billion to buy vaccines from Pfizer alone. While it is not as expensive on a per person basis, the vaccines are not free. |
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Or you could get the vaccine and all of those worries drop to near zero. Simple math says that I could easily go years without getting sick from COVID and even if I do, the severity will be less. Hopefully, by then treatments will be refined too--Like Z-Packs for COVID. |
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I know a guy who lost much of his hearing. He also had heart and blood pressure issues from before. Covid is an expensive game to play and the point is you don't know much about it long term as far as anitbodies. We may be better off allowing anyone 18 and younger to continue to get it and build immunity. The "covid" shot does not protect against covid so you really are not building antibodies against covid. So if you get a break through case, you pretty much have little protection against COVID. The vaccines make your body recognize the spike protein carrier. I guess the question is, once your body is infected with covid, does covid just replicate without the spike protein? Sounds like that is how it works. You are playing the game that you hope your body fights the spike proteins in enough volume that you don't get enough covid hijacking your cells and then your body can hopefully fight the ones that do make it through. If you simply get covid, your body can recognize covid and spike proteins. |
^^"Better off allowing anyone 18 and under to continue to get it"? Where and who do these under 18 folks live with? Dont ya think most all live with parents who are over 18? or is this another bizarro world example?
Better off...with everyone vaccinated. If you get covid, you will survive. I would love to go to Vegas with all the vax deniers, they just dont understand odds. |
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7 times more likely than who?
And does getting COVID while vaxed not confer the same level of super-immunity? Honest Qs… would love to see a link to the study? |
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The 7 times number comes from the Israel Study. IT has to do with natural immunity being better than the covid shot. Now one could argue if it really is 7 times, however it is not zero or a negative number. It sounds like it is still greater than the vaccine. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....24.21262415v1 Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected. Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant. https://www.science.org/content/arti...-remains-vital Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine—but vaccination remains vital The research impresses Nussenzweig and other scientists who have reviewed a preprint of the results, posted yesterday on medRxiv. “It’s a textbook example of how natural immunity is really better than vaccination,” says Charlotte Thålin, a physician and immunology researcher at Danderyd Hospital and the Karolinska Institute who studies the immune responses to SARS-CoV-2. “To my knowledge, it’s the first time [this] has really been shown in the context of COVID-19.” |
That makes it sound like you get COVID from being vaxxed. Reality is surviving infection>vaxxed>unvaxxed.
It’s great and not surprising that infection confers natural immunity. That’s really an argument for a more rigorous testing regime, no? How else does one prove COVID except by a positive test? |
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Ahhhhhh this will solve everything. Chicago is really leading way on the forefront of plans to stop crime. Oh wait. They’ve given up on that. Here is you gunshot kit to help get you to the hospital should you get shot while visiting this cesspool of violence. Don’t worry. Lori has you covered. Rather then arresting and charging criminals with crimes the democrats plan is to install gunshot kits around the city. You seriously can’t make this up.
Attachment 46497 https://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/chicago-installing-bleeding-control-kits-in-hundreds-of-city-buildings/2623223/ I guess 5 innocent white people gunned down today in the middle of downtown, during rush hour while simply walking down the street is no big deal. , the under eats driver shot in the neck and face , nah didn’t happen. , the 2 Asians **** by blacks, probably not a hate crime either. |
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Not sure that requires a testing regime. What is the point? 1) COVID is here to stay 2) some people have natural immunity already 3) according to what is supposedly being documented is those with the vaccine are not as seriously ill 4) There have been less than 350 deaths of those under 18 5) around 20,000 since the beginning from those under 45 6) way over half the deaths are people over 75 year old 7) Just under half the deaths are in the 45 to 65 age group 8) naturally gained immunity from contracting covid is greater than the vaccine (which no one wanted to even consider a few months ago) 9) those who have had covid are 7 times less likely to have a break though case then those with the vaccine To me, it is becoming pretty clear that those 45 and up should get the vaccine. Just following the number of deaths on this. More than likely we lost the most people who were susceptible already but this group is more susceptible by looking at the numbers. We should not even worry about anyone under 18 and then have the discussion on which people between 18 and 45 should get the vaccine. Seems to me that we would have better long term outcomes if the data is correct. Seems like to me, vaccine mandates for those under 45 (or subset) are cutting off peoples long term health options. I guess the only argument you could make is will we get mutations from the non vaccinated or those who have not contracted covid (as once again is sounds like the ones who have contracted it are less likely than the vaccinated to get a break through case). Seems to me that people have had to be exposed by now and possibly more than once. Could be wrong, however the mutations so far are from other countries and not the US. Are those countries that isolate doing a disservice? |
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10. Those who have had covid and got vaccinated have the best protection, Bar none. Everyone, 5 and up should get vaxxed. The US has no shortage of vaccines, we have more than any country on earth, use them. If you count people over 45 in the US its close to 35% of the total population, we need to protect all. Your assuming everyone has been exposed, thats not even pseudoscience, its just your not so well informed opinion. Fox says 2 mutations are from the US, do we believe them or you? https://www.foxnews.com/health/new-c...dentified-ohio |
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I am pretty sure that through 2 strains and the second being far more infectious than the first, unless you are living in your moms basement, then you have had to be exposed by now. Sounds to me the data points that those under 45 are naturally pretty much naturally protected. Mission accomplished. Spike proteins are not harmless btw. The facts are not saying anyone 5 and up should be vaccinated. The science is saying the opposite and that younger people especially would be better of fighting naturally and have a better long term immunity than jumping on the vaccine train. Unlike polio, you can still contract covid even if you are vaccinated. Polio vaccine, once you have had it, you can no long contract nor spread polio. That is huge difference. |
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Do you have anything whatsoever to document your opinion? ok. You continue to toss 35% of the population, including yourself to the covid lions. Spike proteins arent harmless and yet none of our hospitals are over run with people suffering from effects from the vaccines, none of them. Until you can contain and quarantine everyone 5 and up, the best attack is to vaccinate everyone, thats science. |
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It took them over 30 years to get the polio vaccine right and I can not find an account where it was mandated at all early on. Matter of fact they killed 10 kids with it and infected thousands with a kalifornia batch. Polio has the pleasure of being terrorizing.
Small pox was not mandated to the public until 1917. That is over 100 years after Washington mandated it to the troops. By the way, Washington only mandated it to the troops who had not had small pox. Those who had it, were not required. Small price to pay for a group of people that Washington wanted to keep alive so they could go line up against another army pointing and shooting guns at them and were expected to shoot back and absolutely die trying or be hanged for running away. Vaccines mandates have always been radical and I am still trying to find a point that a disease that has such a good survival rate especially in well over half the population should be mandated. Especially when the FACTS are stating they are better off having had the disease. Also, yet again you are missing one very important facts. After it took decades to make those other vaccines mandatory, they had a crap load of data and when you take those vaccines, you in no way can contract or spread the disease. |
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On Vax you want personal choice to be law of the land. On Guns, you blame personal choice. " have yet to see a gun get up, go outside and shoot someone. It is always the people and their choices. They have the choice to stay off drugs. They have the choice to vote out people who are keeping them slaves to the government. Remember, just enough to help but not enough to matter is the democrat mantra." |
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follow the thread, Starguy posted about mayor Lightfoot installing gunshot kits around the city. I never said anything about shootings due to medical care. from this guy called 95sn: Quote: If you cant slow the stream of guns coming into your city, you need to improve medical care. I posted replying to this post by starguy, dont be so stupid, this is elementary. Originally Posted by xstarrider View Post Ahhhhhh this will solve everything. Chicago is really leading way on the forefront of plans to stop crime. Oh wait. They’ve given up on that. Here is you gunshot kit to help get you to the hospital should you get shot while visiting this cesspool of violence. Don’t worry. Lori has you covered. Rather then arresting and charging criminals with crimes the democrats plan is to install gunshot kits around the city. You seriously can’t make this up. Attachment 46497 https://www.nbcchicago.com/investiga...dings/2623223/ I guess 5 innocent white people gunned down today in the middle of downtown, during rush hour while simply walking down the street is no big deal. , the under eats driver shot in the neck and face , nah didn’t happen. , the 2 Asians **** by blacks, probably not a hate crime either. |
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Our hospitals are full of unvaccinated people, not people sick from getting vaccines. Why dont you tell me the ratio of people in hospitals that are non vaccinated to people in hospitals due to vaccine effects. I'll wait. Do you want to tell me about the time a US hospital was over run with abortion cases? Because they are with covid non vaccinated. You are becoming more radicalized fighting a pandemic. |
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You don't police 1/2 a billion guns. You police the 3 percent who are the problem. You fix the system that has killed their family units and if the violent are too far gone, they get put into the system. It is going to take generations. You and everyone else does not even bat an eye on the Flu. According to the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/images/about...c-high-res.jpg - Flu kills between 10,000 to 61,000 in the US each and every year - Hospitalizes between 140,000 to 810,000 each and every year - sickens between 9,300,000 to 45,000,000 each and every year You guys do not even bat an eye over these numbers. Not a single talking pint anywhere any time. The vaccines do not keep people from contracting and spreading the flu either. No talk of nation wide vaccinations and throwing people out of work because of it. With that as a baseline. Yes. Covid is worse than that for some but not for the majority. We more than likely had our big death surge because it was simply pushed on the world by our democrats friends the chinese. We know that from a minimum the age of 45 and down we are well withing the flu numbers for deaths. Seems to me we know where the trouble spot is. Focus on them. |
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The science says after the people are infected they will not go to the hospital again and less likely so than those with the vaccine. It is not radicalization. It is the truth and science. It is fact. Radicalization is living so scared that you can not function to the point you will let anyone do anything to your body and your freedoms in the name of so called safety. Even though the facts state otherwise. As far as abortions go. There are between 600,000 and 800,000 babies murdered by democrats every year. Don't hear a peep out of you or any of them. |
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I just read an article yesterday from Carlson's show monologue. He specifically says to get the vaccine. Then he also talks about treatments and the dangerous authoritarianism people have turned too. The democrats gave china most favored trade status. The democrats in government shut down any discussion of the virus coming from the chinese facility. It is the democrats who will not even discuss treatments. It is the democrats who try and call a treatment a horse pill when in truth it got world wide recognition for it's help to humanity and the people who currently take that as a society also happen to have an extremely low covid problem. It sounds to me it is worth the discussion instead of the usual, it is not a vaccine so you are an idiot for even discussion it mantra. It is the democrats who are trying to shut down businesses and force healthy people out of work. It is democrats who are ignoring the science to push these agendas. So yes. It is the democrats who are the danger to our freedoms. They overwhelmingly are and have been in the history of this country. It is the democrats flooding the country with millions of illegals and telling us to our face that they are allowed (without vaccine no less) but you a healthy contributing 25 year old CITIZEN are going to get tossed out on your ear if we don't let us put something in your body. If anything, you have the radicalized credibility problem. If one thing we have learned over and over is if the democrats are accusing others of doing it, it is them who is really doing it. |
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This Tucker Carlson? 2 days ago. He change? https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...022506893.html Vaccines are to prevent infection and avoid hospitals and death. Once you get covid, treatment, monoclonal antibodies is the #1 response. Doctors are not political, they treat patients with the best treatment and medicines available. Why discuss treatments when the goal is to avoid in the first place. Horse paste is NOT A COVID TREATMENT. HYDROXY is NOT A TREATMENT. Monoclonal antibodies is treatment. No one is forcing anyone out of work, they are vaccinating a country. How does mandating vaccines a danger? and hospitals full of unvaccinated dying is acceptable? Youre radicalized, unable to think for yourself. Vaccine Bad, Hospitals full of dying unvaccinated Good. WTF? |
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Mandating a vaccine is a danger because the young can get a better broad band immunity against covid. That is why it is a danger. short term could be fine. Long term more likely than not and you are willing to rob them of it. The stats do not like. They young are not an issue. If you are old or sickly, take the jab. Everything we discussed is you being radical and emotional. I pointed out historical mandate timing. I have laid out the death stats. I have laid who is and is not dying of covid. If you have the vaccine, then carry on, shut your mouth and let people be. |
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Sure you’re well aware Chicago has some of the the strictest gun ownership policies and background checks in the Nation. I am sure the crime trends aligning with the democratic Soros backed ASA’s being elected , failing to prosecute violent offenders , along with the Democratic backed BLM movement continuing the war on policing in these violent cities has nothing to do with the crime trends and all about gun ownership. Locking up violent felons for possessing and using illegals guns would never decrease the violence right? If people knew they would be stopped by police or imprisioned with serious consequences for carrying illegal firearms you think they would be running around with them. There is a reason crime trends were low when police e were allowed to police and bad guys went to jail. Yes it’s thats simple. You’re an idiot. Talk to me when you have a logical fact based argument. All you have to do is look at crime trends pre and post Obama. Then look at them as Biden began his run for office. Every city that replaced their Police Chief and States Attorney with a Democrat has seen exponential crime increases. Violent crime has nothing to do with gun policies and everything g to do with liberal agenda. The end. |
well, either the WH is flat out lying about what's happening at the border, as far as the mounted patrol is concerned, or Homeland security on the border has absolutely no regard for Biden's "orders".
Either way....just another example of how much of a joke this administration is... https://www.yahoo.com/news/border-pa...135400341.html |
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