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I just googled mental health in the UK & Canada & they seem to have even bigger problem than we do, minus the crazies shooting **** up. |
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"Here in CO if you get a MMJ card you can no longer get a conceal carry."
How does that work when it's perfectly legal there and you don't need a card to buy it? |
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Not opposed to cops on site to a point. We have deputized school police in our school district. There’s a cop on staff at each HS and a roving group of backup officers. Seems like a good system. The cops are cops but are also members of the staff who interact with the kids. Mostly I think they deal with arresting kids caught at school smoking weed and whatnot.
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I believe someone else posted something similar in the Vegas thread. Why does it seem so hard to understand that it's a numbers game? The US has a high number of weapons available and some states make it way too easy to get a hold of these firearms. Face it, your beloved 2nd amendment works against you. You have the highest amount of publicly owned firearms in the world even if they are purchased legally it still leaves another higher than normal amount of those guns to then end up in the wrong hands whether stolen or someone that decides they are now angry.
Some of the issues can never really be resolved nor do I have the answers but it's not hard to figure out that with the overall amount of guns in the US you are going to have an above average amount of gun related deaths. |
KS has insane gun laws. You can conceal carry here and don't even need a permit. One of the dumbest things I have every seen passed. You basically have to think everyone around you is armed.
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^^^Easy guys, the NRA is not going to appreciate you snowflakes calling for tighter gun laws. ;)
You know what they are going to say....if you are old enough to join the military and fight for the country..... Re how easy a CC in KS... Right now they are trying to make it legal...if you have a concealed carry permit in your state it will apply to any state you travel to. Not a good idea IMO. Hopefully this event will help them make the correct decision. |
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F*ck the NRA. They care about nothing but selling more guns. Time for a 2nd amendment advocacy org that is for responsible/educated gun ownership.
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But thanks for your useless advice. If this were 17 cops that were murdered by an Islamic terrorist, you and the kooky right would be ready to wage war on all Muslims. But since it's just 17 kids and educators and you're worried that some may want it to become a bit more difficult to own a gun, you don't give a $h!t. |
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"In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over." — Dan Hodges. |
I'd say it has much more to do with "there are no easy answers". It's rather simpleton to just go right to "we must ban guns". It isn't going to happen, so with that I'd say everyone should start looking for answers that could happen & would happen. Like armed guards. Ain't anyone ever hear of a mass shooting anywhere but soft targets, specifically where guns are not allowed.
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So 18 isnt old enough to buy a beer but old enough to buy an AK. Criminally stupid.
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Trained with a white supremacist group and wore a MAGA hat to school. |
Republican lawmaker says if you want congress to take action on this issue then vote republicans out of office.
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/37...mass-shootings |
^^^Ouch Racer. The weed must be really good in Colorado.;)
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If the left enforces gun laws like they enforce immigration laws we really don’t have much to worry about
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Ready access to guns has no effect on gun violence. Say it three times while looking in the mirror or the NRA will pay you a visit. Reverse candyman. |
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Now where is your solution or shut up. |
Ralph I think you misread. It was a republican congressman who said vote out republicans. He also had some suggestions for democrats on what to do once the nra puppets were out.
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My point is the democrats had 8 years to do something to improve the issue and have failed to do so, it's a bit rich to now say, vote us in we will fix it, trust us, when they give no indication of how they will fix it |
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Again, they didn’t say that - a republican did. But you are not wrong about their ineffectiveness.
As I posted above, it’s simple math. More guns means more shootings. |
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I guess $3.3m buys a lot of thoughts and prayers aye Rubio?
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And yes if 17cops were murdered on us soil by an Islamic terrorist you bet I would be for taking action. I am also up for t aking action against domestic terrorist groups that shoot up groups of innocent people. Also for action against a single person that shoots another . But as you mentioned most mass shooters here end up dead. As I have written in every post we need to take action directly at that source as well. You’ve already made it crystal clear you’d rather sit back and let Muslims murder people on US soil and then allow them asylum into our country. Which one of us is crazy ! |
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I didn't throw an insult. Look at my comment. I called your advice useless. Nothing insulting about that. There is nothing said in that post that I wouldn't say to your face if you were standing right in front of me. |
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http://www.tallahassee.com/story/new...say/341751002/ That's a nice MAGA shirt he has on <a href="https://ibb.co/hJ3jvn"><img src="https://preview.ibb.co/cmFKT7/Live_Leak_dot_com_7db_1518657184_21f03c95403c9de96 582734cf988f6a9b30c82e0_1518657191.jpg" alt="Live_Leak_dot_com_7db_1518657184_21f03c95403c 9de96582734cf988f6a9b30c82e0_1518657191" border="0"></a><br /><a target='_blank' href='https://imgbb.com/'>how to host images</a><br /> |
The only thing the 8 yrs of Obama and the lefties running everything did related to guns is embolden criminals and terrorists by creating an atmosphere of hate. I’d argue no single person in the office divided this country more and incited rage than the big eared baffoon that was in charge. Their policies have destroyed any accountability for individuals actions. Everyone now is dealing with the effects of proping up violent thugs , being soft on crime, having no sense of personal responsibility , and ensuring everyone is entitled to a trophy.
The numbers don’t lie triple digit increases across the board in all areas of violent crime , racking up mass shootings after mass shootings. The simple fact is it’s now reaching EVERYONE ! I read thread after thread of people praising Obama’s admin for allegedly righting the ship regarding the economy. Whet is the accountability for the fact our nation is experiencing an astronomical increase in violence ? Oh that’s right it’s the guns fault |
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Gunman, holds 150 hostage in church, good Samaritan wrestles gunman to ground and disarms him. Police bust in and shoot him by mistake. Whoops, our bad. But guns are good!
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nosacre...ps-didnt-hear/ |
NRA suggests to arm all ministers now. Problem solved! MAGA!
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So I guess the question is, does racer808 ever get tired of being wrong. Rhetorical question, of course he doesn't. Ha ha.
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Since you want to use that graph. Explain the sudden major increases in crimes beginning in 2014? And the outlier in 2012 . Again your graph is just another picture of my point. 2 decades of decreasing crime per 100,000 and one guy comes into office and the spike occurs as a direct result of policies So you and all the anti gunners consistently argue more guns equal more crime. The pretty graph you show illustrates just the opposite does it not ? Violent crime according to the graph YOU PROVIDED , has been on the downward trend for years . So how exactly does that illustrate your guns are evil point ? To me having such a downward trend means things were working exactly as they should . 2015 shows an extreme spike quite the opposite way , A significant increase across the nation . No significant gun laws were changed . Millions of guns were not all of a sudden handed out for free ...........So you can discount the more guns argument as the reason for the spike . Geeeeee. I wonder what could’ve happened in 2014 that led to an increase in violent crime across the nation . Thank you for again providing the data proving my points . You guys really make this too easy . |
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MAGA https://www.snopes.com/did-shooters-...ture-maga-hat/ |
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Yeah yeah, I fell for that one. But snopes is still a bull**** site that's been caught lying before (not on this one)
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We let those same 18 year old infantrymen handle grenades too. Why can't I buy one of them at walmart? |
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Authority: https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...=1&oi=scholarr "Before addressing the verbs "keep" and "bear," we interpret their object: "Arms." The 18th-century meaning is no different from the meaning today. The 1773 edition of Samuel Johnson's dictionary defined "arms" as "[w]eapons of offence, or armour of defence." 1 Dictionary of the English Language 106 (4th ed.) (reprinted 1978) (hereinafter Johnson). Timothy Cunningham's important 1771 legal dictionary defined "arms" as "any thing that a man wears for his defence, or takes into his hands, or useth in wrath to cast at or strike another." 1 A New and Complete Law Dictionary; see also N. Webster, American Dictionary of the English Language (1828) (reprinted 1989) (hereinafter Webster) (similar)." |
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All over facebook & other places all I be reading this morning is "we need to round up & kill republicans". Telling people to go attack another GOP ball game, etc. That's plenty reason for me to never disarm when half the citizens act like that. |
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Lets say "assault rifles" are banned. I can still buy tanertite by the pounds, pack a cooler, fridge, car, etc full of it & one shot from a 9mm is going to blow it sky high & everything around it. Mass murder is going to happen anywhere. You have valid points but I would submit to you; take away soft targets, gun free zones, public knowledge or what or who is armed & my money says we won't see a mass shooting for a while. We also have a effed up culture that taking weapons, mental health is not going to fix. Why do we seem to have more people wanting to kill in mass than other countries outside of islam? |
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I am pretty sure a 9mm doesn't have the velocity to ignite tanerite. Has to be a high powered rifle. We usually use a 223 or 308.
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If america is safer with everyone armed, is the world safer with "best" korea (I know how much you love the DPRK ;-) ) having nukes? Again, what could possibly go wrong? I guess I also disagree with the strawman that the only gun regulation that could possibly be on the table is "taking away all the guns." There's pretty clearly a pattern with AR/AK style weapons being used in mass shootings. And mass shootings seem to be something pretty abhorrent. Sure, mass shootings are just a drop in the gun violence bucket, but certainly the most tragic. Can we try to make those guns more difficult to get on a going forward basis? Nope. Instead of trying anything, we all just throw up our hands and say "whelp, there's another one, nothing you can do." I mean for goodness sake -- bump stocks! There's something that gun enthusiasts seem to agree is kinda dumb because it's hard to be accurate, but we've got an example where a guy figured out that if he started with a "shooting fish in a barrel" scenario, it could be effective. So why in the world can't we even get legislation passed to ban that one stupid thing and avoid the next copycat who wants to go Rambo? |
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Self described "proud NRA sellout" pushes vote to relax background checks 24 hours after shooting:
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One thing I noticed about you right-wingers is you refuse to admit when you are wrong. |
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If you think you NEED a semi automatic weapon, you are not mentally fit enough to have one.
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Trumps solution, ok keep selling weapons with current controls and cut $25m off the education program to try influence violence in schools.
https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2...mpression=true How do you manage to cut $25m from a program like this and still run a budget deficit of $1t? Tax cuts and increased military spending to the already biggest military budget in the world. Trump and his team of dunces are truely too stupid to run your country. |
Meat cleavers need to be made illegal to purchase as well!!! https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world...-st=1518896236
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Typical liberal if you don't like something you want it eliminated. You use whatever logic suits you. Perfect example School shootings are killing our kids. Rather than addressing the real issue evil hearts and kids that don't respect life or authority. You blame guns and tell gun supporters owning a gun isn't necessary even though it's a right given to all Americans in our Constitution. Then I ask you if you want to save kids lives why do you support abortion? You say it's a mother's right to choose. Science has proven life begins at conception, so mother's are killing their children and the children have no rights. How can you say you care about kids when you murder over 300 million kids a year? Mother's can choose to kill their kids and aren't held accountable for their actions just like kids that kill other kids aren't responsible for their actions. Liberal logic blame guns. I see why you can't explain your thinking.
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[QUOTE=cwb4me;1975304]Typical liberal if you don't like something you want it eliminated. You use whatever logic suits you. Perfect example School shootings are killing our kids. Rather than addressing the real issue evil hearts and kids that don't respect life or authority. You blame guns and tell gun supporters owning a gun isn't necessary even though it's a right given to all Americans in our Constitution.[/QUOTE
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Until society is willing to entertain the notion that children are valuable enough to be guarded on school grounds rather than worrying about how uncomfortable it is to consider, nothing will change. It's unfortunate the world we live in has deteriorated to necessitate such action. To pretend that guarding children is more unacceptable than their potential death is preposterous. With an active shooter, schools don't call law enforcement because they have badges......
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+1 to this reply. That has to be the most ignorant post of this whole thread
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Oops out of order now. +1 to plhorn
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Ten attackers, 29 dead. How many would be dead if they had AR15s instead of knives? How many would still be alive if the civilians were armed?
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