Originally Posted by h20king (Post 1976068)

As far as the not all boats surf well being fact I stand by that. Go out and try different boats I know I do and not all of them surf well . Talk with anyone who has been behind multiple boat and you will hear the same thing.

Originally Posted by 501s (Post 1976195)

On a side note I find it kind of annoying when people refer to the surf wave as the "wake". Boats have a "wake" for sports like Wakeboarding and Slalom and a "Wave" for hobbies like surfing.

Originally Posted by Smoothie (Post 1976196)

I'm pretty sure the boat just has a wake, regardless of size or shape. Just because it looks bigger and cleaner doesn't mean it is a boat wave.

Originally Posted by 501s (Post 1976214)

I realize a boat only creates a “wake”. But come on, the whole industry refers to it as a surf “wave”. All the devices on the market are designed to improve the surf “wave”. When someone says their boats “wave” we all know exactly what they are talking about. When someone says their boats “wake” do you think of a boat with a tab deployed and a giant “wake” on one side of the boat or do you think of a traditional “wake”.

If someone posts on WW “show pictures of the wake” do you think of the “wakeboard wake” or do think of the surf wave? It’s honestly not a big deal, maybe I’m alone in my opinion. But if you are offended by my comments, than you must be a Surfer.

Originally Posted by Norm02 (Post 1975420)

Hi Everyone,

I’m excited to be a part of this forum and I’ve been reading a good number of post so far. There’s a lot of good information on this forum and I’ve already learned a lot. I look forward to learning a lot more and thank you in advance for any help you can provide.

As the title states, I’m going to buy a new boat this season and I’m looking to stay in the <$100k range. My family consist of my wife and I plus two kids that under the age of 10. The boat will primarily be used to pull tubes, skis, wakeboards, surfing, and cruising around the lake.

I’m planning on buying new (unless I find a demo boat or a left over previous year model) and I’m planning on keeping it for at least 10 years. I kept my last boat (Crownline 192BR) for 12 years and I’d like to do the same this time around so resale value is important to me.

I’m only considering boats that are in the 23-25ft range and it will be trailered to several different lakes and not parked in a slip. I’m also only considering inboards and Jet Boats (Scarab) since I want to have the ability to surf behind the boat. We’ll probably have friends and family with us most of the time so it needs to hold at least 13 people.

The boats I’m considering are the Moomba Mojo, Axis A24, Mastercraft NXT22, and the Scarab 255 Wake Edition. Please feel free to add to my list if there are others that I should consider and I’ll check them out. I am planning on demoing all of the boats I’ve listed as I think that’s the only way to fairly evaluate each one.

I’ve listed some questions that I have below and hopefully the back ground info I’ve given will be helpful in answering my questions. I’d like to know the following and thank you for the advice!

-Which boat is the best value in terms of performance, features, reliability, and resale value
-Is it worth the money to go for the biggest engine available in each boat? I’m leaning towards yes
-Is the Raptor 440 worth spending an extra $5k on compared to the Raptor 400 (Moomba)
-Are better deals available if you order a boat vs buying an in-stock boat (no demo or holdover)
-In general, what are the most import options to select or look for on this style boat.

Originally Posted by 501s (Post 1976195)

So when guys on here are saying that some of the new boats "don't surf well" what does that exactly mean?

Are these guys really skilled and do they mean they can't throw their extreme tricks like kickflips or 720 shuv-its behind certain boats because the wave isn't up to par? Or do they mean its harder for a 300lb guy drinking a beer to drop the rope?

On a side note I find it kind of annoying when people refer to the surf wave as the "wake". Boats have a "wake" for sports like Wakeboarding and Slalom and a "Wave" for hobbies like surfing.

Originally Posted by Mike88 (Post 1975430)

Not much choice with your range.. you said 23-25 but the NTX22 ain’t one.. if you want a 22ft. Some other deals may come thru your choices tho.
Personnaly i would forget about MasterCraft not because they ain’t good but because you gonna take the economical one. Like I would prefer a fully loaded Acura instead of a strip down Mercedes almost naked and chopped everywhere for lowering the price.

For the raptor engine it’s up to you if you want to pay 5K for a computer flash (because yeah it’s the exact same engine instead the 440 is flash)
I would take a 400 or the roush (I think it’s 550).

For a long term boat. I would avoid Axis too. It’s just my personal opinion but They are’nt monohull si that mean for me maybe some trouble in the long time.. like stress cracks. And for me axis was kind of over priced for what it give. Even prefered the Moomba product and less pricy.

Your resale value gonna depend on how you keep your boat clean. Not very the brand. Moomba are great for resale value because they are not expensive, they lost big in the beginning but they top a price pretty soon. So Moomba is great when you want to change your boat each 4 5 years. Low investment, lower losses.

Moomba are great product. The Mojo is a pretty damn good overall boat. Perfect for families. It’s an entry line but it’s perfect when you have a budget and want to do lots of thing and not just one (like just surfing). The best bang for the buck . And for you that’s pretty much What you want because 100K for a 23footer it’s kind of the only one.

Im a Nautique fan. Primary I would say a 230, but it’s a little bit higher than your budget. But you have so much more it ain’t comparable.
Much more reliable too.
Instead of MasterCraft with Nautique you don’t really pay for the name. You pay what you have a rock solid boat for years. And 230 i think it’s the perfect one because the price ain’t that big and it’s smaller than the G line (wich I prefer because G series are a bit big, too heavy for me. Harder to transport when your a lot on the road).
I have a 210. Paid flush 100k fully equiped. Not one options is missing. (Expect the H6 motor, have the ZR409)
And never had trouble with 6-7 people on the boat. Me, my wife, my sister his housband and their 2 little monster haha. 21 ft plenty enough for me.
And if you want to surf... forget the scarab

Hope it helps! Good luck